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Rob Gorski: Welcome to
The Autism Dad podcast.

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I’m Rob Gorski as a single dad
to three amazing autistic kids.

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I’ve been the go to global resource
for autism parenting since 2010 for

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the past seven seasons, this podcast
has provided parents with education,

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connection, resources, validation, and
hope this season you’ll hear from parents

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just like you, as well as my own kids
who will offer their unique perspective

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on what it’s like for them to navigate
the world is young autistic people.

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So we’re back.

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What was that?

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That was, that was a, that was a blooper.

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Emmett Gorski: We need to keep that.

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We’ll keep it.

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Rob Gorski: Yeah.

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We should keep that.

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So we’re back.

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And, uh, this week I’m sitting down with
Emmett, my 15 year old autistic son.

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And, uh, Hello.

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There you go.

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He said hi.

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We’re, we’re going to do kind
of a Q and A episode, uh, today.

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Emmett went through Facebook and
pulled a bunch of your questions

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that you guys had asked and made a
nice little, very organized list.

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And we’re going to kind of go through them
one by one, answer them the best we can,

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give you our, you know, kind of unique
perspectives on things and go from there.

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How’s that sound?

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Uh, sounds great.

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All right.

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Do you want to go first?

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Emmett Gorski: Uh, yeah.

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It doesn’t matter what question I ask.

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Rob Gorski: Why don’t we start
at the top and work our way down?

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Because otherwise we’re gonna
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Uh,

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Emmett Gorski: can someone outgrow autism?

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Rob Gorski: Do you want to answer that?

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Do you want me to?

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I was

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Emmett Gorski: figuring you could answer
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Rob Gorski: Okay.

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Uh, no.

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No, you do not grow out.

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Grow out?

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No, you don’t outgrow autism.

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There you go.

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I knew it was in there somewhere.

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Uh, I think what sometimes maybe
confuses people is, well A,

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sometimes people just don’t know.

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Uh, but other times I think that as kids
get older, they learn to sort of better

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navigate the world, and, and, um, you
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to, Either overcome or, uh, better manage
some of the challenges in their lives.

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So what, what do you, what do you think?

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Emmett Gorski: Uh, so you’re essentially
saying they don’t outgrow it.

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They adapt to

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Rob Gorski: it.

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You learn to live with what you got.

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Awesome.

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And so it’s easier, like it may on
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than what it was before, but it’s,
they’re just as autistic today

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as they were when they were born.

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So good question.

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Uh, okay.

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So I’m just going to word this
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than the way that it was written,
because I think it’s a little bit.

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Uh, can dietary changes make
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Emmett Gorski: depends
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Uh, because if you have a kid that
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are aggressive, uh, sort of like I
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a stomach ache, or their leg hurts,
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like, say something about that, they
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something that has to do with gut health.

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I don’t know why I said leg and face,
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give them a proper diet, and then their
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seem like that their symptoms are gone.

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Went away, but in all actuality, it’s just
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it’s not getting rid of the symptoms It’s
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Does that make sense?

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Rob Gorski: Awesome.

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So so when it comes to things like
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else Autistic people kids whatever
can have food sensitivities Right?

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Um, maybe they have an
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I have kids in my family right now
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eating dairy products when we all know
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be doing, and yet he does it anyways.

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Emmett Gorski: ask anyone that has a
lactose intolerance, I will guarantee you

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will not find one person that avoids it.

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Rob Gorski: No, yeah, they do.

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I’m sure they do.

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Some people do.

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Ice cream is just too

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Emmett Gorski: good

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Rob Gorski: to avoid.

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But the point is, is there’s a lot
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with an autism diagnosis, right?

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And some of them are manageable.

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And if it happens to be a gut related
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correct that food sensitivity, then
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And so maybe they’re happier or
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outbursts or less aggression.

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So, yes and no, right?

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Yes and no.

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There you go.

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Just depends.

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It just depends.

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I guess.

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There’s, there’s a definitive answer.

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Um, okay, so Oh, no, it’s your turn.

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Emmett Gorski: Uh, why have more
people been diagnosed since, say, 1990?

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Rob Gorski: Oh, like, why are more
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Um You know, I don’t know
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I think, you know, there’s a couple
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So I think one is that
people like we’re more aware.

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So more people are being evaluated, right?

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Like it’s, it’s, it’s, um, I mean,
it’s possible to get in and there’s

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wait lists and stuff like that, but
you know, if you suspect something,

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you can go to the doctor and people are
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to look for and stuff like that.

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Um, and I think there’s another school
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is caused by something environmental.

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Or, you know, whatever, um, that
it’s just more prominent now,

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but I think the reality is that
we’re, we’re just more aware of it.

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It’s more people are being diagnosed
because more people are being evaluated.

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I think, you know, what do I know?

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What do you think?

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Emmett Gorski: Pretty much the same thing.

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I mean, it goes with pretty
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I mean, we’re going to have more diagnoses
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Because more people are getting
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have the resources to do it.

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Rob Gorski: Well, I mean, there
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In the 2000s?

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I was treated for depression in the 2000s.

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I wasn’t talking

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Emmett Gorski: about depression,
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Rob Gorski: Oh, well, I mean
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like the advent of social media.

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Right.

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And so, you know, people
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There’s, you know, people talk about
symptoms online all the time and you can

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be like, Oh my gosh, my kid does this.

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And you get that thought planted
in your head and you go see your

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pediatrician and you get the evaluation
and bam, you have a diagnosis.

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You want

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Emmett Gorski: to know what it’s like?

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It’s like, um, how it seems like there was
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but the only reason it seems like that
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and ways to communicate with each other.

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Does that make sense?

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In real time?

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Rob Gorski: Sure.

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Does that make sense?

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I think that makes sense.

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I mean, like, you guys are
just asking for our opinions.

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I mean, this, you don’t, like,
tank this to the bank or anything,

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but like, I mean, I, I think, I
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I think more people are
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Uh, there’s just a greater
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we’re, teachers are more aware.

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So they can point things out.

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Pediatricians are more aware.

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So they’re looking for things.

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Parents are more aware.

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There’s TV shows and movies and, you
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I mean, it’s, it’s everywhere now.

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So when you’re more aware,
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You get help when you, when you think
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Um, We’re gonna, well, alright,
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we all a little autistic?

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We’re just gonna humor them with
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people get offended by this question.

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Uh, no, we’re not all
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I mean, I, I think, I don’t
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Maybe they just don’t know what to say.

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You know, but I, but I mean, maybe
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in a, in a negative way at times.

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And maybe sometimes people
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So yeah, I mean, that, that’s what
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So like, do you have a thought or

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Emmett Gorski: not really just, I
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Rob Gorski: Yeah.

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So if you hear that and you
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get why you would be offended.

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Cause maybe you feel invalidated
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whatever, but you know, sometimes
people say things because they

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just don’t know what else to say.

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And maybe they want you not to
feel so different or like whatever.

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I don’t, I don’t know.

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I’ve never had somebody say that to me.

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Like you’re not autistic though.

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No, I know.

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I know that.

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But like, if, if, if you guys, if
I was like, Oh yeah, you know, my

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son is autistic and like, Oh, aren’t
we all just a little autistic and

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be like, well, no, we’re not I
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It’s like being pregnant or not pregnant.

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Like you either are or you aren’t,
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You’re just, you are, or you aren’t.

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So you either are autistic
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You either have ADHD
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Maybe there’s traits that people maybe
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you know, humans, but I don’t know.

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I don’t tend to get all, like, worked up
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have an opinion one way or the other.

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But, anyhow.

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Uh, you want to do the next one?

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You want me to do it?

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Emmett Gorski: Uh, I mean, I don’t know
how to answer it, so I’m gonna ask you.

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Um, a pediatrician had asked what
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patients at the time of diagnosis.

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Rob Gorski: Okay.

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So, you know, that’s a good question.

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And I, it’s, it’s nice to hear like
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is a problem with the way that we do this.

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So like when you guys were diagnosed,
uh, and what do you hear from parents

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pretty much anywhere is you get the
diagnosis and then you get like a

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piece of paper, a little pamphlet or
something, and you’re kind of shoved

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out the door and told to be on your way.

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And, you know, in those first moments
when your kid is diagnosed, like parents.

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Are like their whole world implodes
because they’re not processing

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everything and it’s like they’re
emotionally vulnerable and they don’t

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know what to do They don’t have you
know, someone to talk to oftentimes.

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They don’t have a support system all
they know is that there’s a list of

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phone numbers like You know otpt speech
whatever on a piece of paper and that’s

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what they have to go Uh on and I think
what we should be doing is is letting

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parents know that You know, yes, it’s
a diagnosis Is And yes, your child may

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be struggling with this, this, this,
and this right now, but, uh, we need to

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label it so that we can identify a need
and match it with a resource, right?

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And, and just because your child isn’t
speaking right now, or just because they

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are struggling with this, this, or this,
does not mean that they’re struggling.

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They’re always going to be struggling with
this, this, and this where we are today

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is like a baseline we’re establishing
like ground zero so that we can build

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up and measure progress going forward.

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So a lot of times parents walk out
of these diagnoses feeling like

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this is what their life is going
to be for the rest of their lives.

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Like their child is
never going to progress.

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This is what it’s going to be like.

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And that’s not, that’s
almost never the case.

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Kids always make progress, you know,
big, small, Um, and I think we need

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to make sure that parents know that so
that they’re not, they’re not hopeless,

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you know, walking out the door, we get
them set up with resources and parent

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mentors and other people who have gone
through this before to help them manage

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the emotional side of this stuff.

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So that’s what I think.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Okay.

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So how do you explain to non
autistic siblings about their.

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How do you explain autism
to a non autistic sibling?

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So like, you know, let’s say you
have like three kids, and one of

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those kids is autistic, how do you
explain autism to their siblings?

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I don’t know, brother and sister.

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One sec,

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Emmett Gorski: Elliot, it’s bothering me.

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Uh, what was the question

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Rob Gorski: again?

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Are you kidding me?

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Okay.

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No, no, we’re not going to cut this out.

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This is funny.

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I, I, I, yeah, no, it’s real funny.

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So let’s just say, how do you
explain autism to siblings?

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Emmett Gorski: Um, I mean, you’re
gonna, I mean, I guess it depends

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on how old the sibling is.

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Okay.

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Because you’re, he’s bothering me again.

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Ignore it.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Um, I mean you’re gonna describe
it differently for different

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age groups, so let’s just assume
that I don’t know 10 to Twelve.

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Mm hmm.

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Um, you would probably say something
like, I don’t know, you’ve said this,

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like, spiel of we think differently and
act differently in certain aspects and

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deal with things differently and are
sensitive to different things and have

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different traits that other people don’t.

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And stuff like that.

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Hmm.

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I guess I can’t really go into
specifics because I don’t know

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what the specifics would be for any

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Rob Gorski: given person and you like to
be very specific and know all the facts.

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So you’re not going to like absolutely
try and extrapolate anything from that

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beyond what you know, to be definite.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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So I would agree with what Emmett said.

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And just to build on that a little
bit, like we just talked to the boys,

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even explaining autism to each of the
kids who are autistic in my house,

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uh, because each of them are different
from each other and trying to explain

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some of those differences and why they
do things a certain way or whatever.

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And it’s just like, you know,
everybody’s brain works different.

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Everybody does things differently
and you know, that’s okay.

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We just have to, you know, work with it.

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And, and you just do it in a non
threatening way, like, like just a

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very matter of fact and in a positive,
you know, way and, you know, validate

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frustrations and things like that.

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And, uh, maybe get a therapist.

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They’re great at helping you
navigate stuff like this.

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We have a Patty.

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Patty has been there for us for
20 years, navigating this stuff.

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So, we have a Patty.

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You should get yourself a patty.

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Good, good there.

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Emmett Gorski: You know what
Elliot interrupted us for?

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Why?

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He, uh, sent me a link to a
chocolate souffle castella cake.

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Rob Gorski: Oh my god.

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Okay.

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Next question Emmett.

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Okay.

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I

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Emmett Gorski: just

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Rob Gorski: went back to Elliot.

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This one, this one was
really important to you.

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Oh.

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So do you want to answer it or do you
want me to, do you want me to ask it?

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I don’t know how to answer it.

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Emmett Gorski: So,

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Rob Gorski: do you want
to ask the question?

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Yeah.

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Emmett Gorski: Uh, before I say this
question, um, first off, I would

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probably say that this took, like, a
lot of guts to say, um, but this person

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had asked, How can I, uh, feel happy
about my 20 year old son and think he’s

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amazing when every day is terrible?

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Rob Gorski: That’s a tough question.

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Yeah.

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And we debated about whether or
not to take this one on, but you

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specifically felt very, um, you felt
it was very important that we honor.

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At least address it.

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Address it.

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Yeah.

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Because it took a lot of
courage to, to ask that and

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there is zero judgment at all.

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Uh, and I guess without knowing
any more than that, what I can say

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is that, uh, you’re very human.

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And I think that a lot of times
this journey can be so hard

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and so exhausting and we don’t
have the support that we need.

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And, you know, sometimes the challenges
that our kids have are such that it’s,

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I mean, it takes more than what we have.

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And it’s easy to, to become more
familiar with the, the bad days and,

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and sort of get sucked into that
despair and feel like you’re drowning.

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Um, you know, I, I think that it’s,
I mean, it’s okay to not be okay.

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It’s okay to be overwhelmed.

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It’s okay to be miserable for a period
of time, but you know, you want to make

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sure that you’re taking care of yourself.

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You want to make sure that you’re
getting the support that you need

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as a parent so that you are able to.

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Be the best version of
yourself for your son.

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And, and I know that when, when you’re
asking this question, it’s not meant.

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In, in malice or, or anything
like that because there are times

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that, uh, and I’ve told my kids
this, like my kids drive me nuts.

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They drive me crazy.

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Emmett Gorski: How dare you?

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I am perfect,

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Rob Gorski: perfectly good at driving
me crazy because yeah, and, and there

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have been times where, where I felt
similar to this with some of my kids

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during like really difficult times.

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And.

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It’s just, it’s a lot for anybody
to try and deal with, especially if

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you don’t have that support, uh, or
the resources to help, uh, to help

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you navigate some of these things.

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So, you know, I guess I wouldn’t,
I wouldn’t focus so much on how

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you’re supposed to feel happy.

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I would focus on figuring out.

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Where you can find support and
therapy would, again, therapy is huge.

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It’s so important.

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Respite care.

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So important.

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Emmett Gorski: And what I would say
is, uh, especially therapy, again,

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as you said, because there’s going
to be a great deal of guilt for even

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having that thought that you can’t
think of anything like happy about.

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Your son because of how like bad the
days are and so therapy could help

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you Sort of move like through it.

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Yeah move through it or at least a
little further But again, we don’t

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know the situation Specifics and

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Rob Gorski: we don’t judge we don’t

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Emmett Gorski: judge and we can’t
make any You giant judgment calls

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without knowing what is happening
because there’s a multitude of

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situations that could be going on.

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Um, and so we’re just choosing
this as a sort of overall thing

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you can do to help yourself and try

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Rob Gorski: and move forward.

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And yeah, I, I, I think
that was well said Emmett.

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And I just want to say too, that
this doesn’t make you a bad parent.

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It doesn’t mean your kid is a bad kid.

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It means that you’re,
you’re in over your head.

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And,

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Emmett Gorski: um,
almost nothing makes you

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Rob Gorski: mad.

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Well, that, I mean, I
don’t, I don’t get mad.

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Emmett Gorski: I’ve tried
and I can’t make him mad.

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Over 15 years.

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I haven’t

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Rob Gorski: tried.

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Yeah.

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I, I don’t get, I don’t get angry.

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And so this isn’t

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Emmett Gorski: very anything
against anyone like anywhere.

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Yeah.

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My dad is.

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Rob Gorski: Yeah, that’s, we can go with
weird, but what I wanted to, I wanted to

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just say this, you know, like all joking
aside, if you’re out there listening to

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this and you’re thinking like, who would
say something about that to their kid?

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A lot of people.

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There’s a lot of people out
there who feel exactly like this.

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And we need to be very, very careful
when we judge other parents because

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autism is a very broad spectrum.

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And you know, while there are
significant challenges in my life

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with my kids, I’m very fortunate.

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Yeah.

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They’re amazing.

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And.

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And as they’ve gotten older, a lot of
those challenges have gotten easier,

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but they’re all diagnosed with autism.

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And then there are families who are
raising kids who are very high needs,

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who maybe are non speaking, who
can’t feed themselves, who can’t use

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the bathroom, who can’t do anything
without 24 hour a day, seven day a

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Emmett Gorski: week.

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Aggressive through all of that.

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Rob Gorski: Yeah.

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And, and they’re diagnosed
with the same thing, autism.

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And.

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We need to be aware that it’s not this,
you know, what you’re experiencing in

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your life does not reflect what someone
else might be experiencing, even though

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their kids have the same diagnosis.

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So it makes this whole thing
so difficult to navigate.

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So I applaud the question because I think
it took a tremendous amount of courage.

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I think there’s a lot of people out there
who are going to hear that and feel like

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I’m not alone because you are not alone.

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You’re not alone.

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Because, uh.

457
00:21:46,489 –> 00:21:51,270
Emmett Gorski: Not only is this addressing
a question that you would ask, it’s

458
00:21:51,330 –> 00:22:00,389
addressing questions that people who
felt either too guilty or too scared to

459
00:22:00,389 –> 00:22:03,739
ask that because no one would want to.

460
00:22:04,330 –> 00:22:08,429
No one wants to feel like,
what would you call it?

461
00:22:08,820 –> 00:22:10,490
Not hatred, but

462
00:22:10,520 –> 00:22:13,920
Rob Gorski: well, you feel guilt because,
you know, as a parent, you’re supposed to

463
00:22:13,940 –> 00:22:21,500
like love unconditionally, which, I mean,
we do, but you, we all have limits, right?

464
00:22:21,500 –> 00:22:22,400
We’re not super human.

465
00:22:22,679 –> 00:22:26,469
There’s, there’s this nonsense that goes
around where we talk about like, you

466
00:22:26,469 –> 00:22:28,270
know, autism warrior parents or whatever.

467
00:22:28,689 –> 00:22:32,610
And, and the reality is that we’re
all, there’s no different, like,

468
00:22:32,610 –> 00:22:33,779
I’m no different than anyone else.

469
00:22:33,800 –> 00:22:38,250
Like I have a different personality
or whatever, but I’m just as human is.

470
00:22:38,610 –> 00:22:39,620
Is anybody else?

471
00:22:39,939 –> 00:22:43,420
And, uh, you know, I struggle with things.

472
00:22:43,430 –> 00:22:44,810
I find ways to deal with it.

473
00:22:45,279 –> 00:22:49,720
I don’t have, you know, a superhuman
ability to, to do things that,

474
00:22:49,730 –> 00:22:52,219
that make this life easier for me.

475
00:22:52,889 –> 00:22:55,560
Um, and so I run out of patience.

476
00:22:55,609 –> 00:22:56,550
I run out of bandwidth.

477
00:22:56,560 –> 00:22:57,669
I run out of resources.

478
00:22:57,669 –> 00:22:59,139
I burn out, I get depressed.

479
00:22:59,149 –> 00:22:59,840
I get anxious.

480
00:22:59,870 –> 00:23:02,620
My mental health can, you
know, suffer at times.

481
00:23:02,649 –> 00:23:04,110
My physical health can suffer at times.

482
00:23:04,110 –> 00:23:09,499
And it has over the years, you
know, so beating yourself up.

483
00:23:09,615 –> 00:23:16,465
Because you’re human just doesn’t,
it’s, it’s, it’s flawed logic.

484
00:23:16,545 –> 00:23:17,775
You’re never going to be perfect.

485
00:23:17,805 –> 00:23:18,595
And that’s okay.

486
00:23:20,185 –> 00:23:21,235
You’re not supposed to be perfect.

487
00:23:21,545 –> 00:23:21,815
Yeah.

488
00:23:21,854 –> 00:23:26,354
You’re doing the best you can with a job
that often requires superhuman abilities.

489
00:23:26,395 –> 00:23:29,735
And none of us are superhuman,
you know, so thank you.

490
00:23:30,125 –> 00:23:32,865
And if you, if you happen to be listening
and you’re the one that asked this

491
00:23:32,865 –> 00:23:37,004
question, you can reach out and, you know,
we can maybe chat or something if that

492
00:23:37,004 –> 00:23:38,445
would be helpful, but you’re not alone.

493
00:23:38,955 –> 00:23:43,695
And, uh, You know, I, I
see you, we both see you.

494
00:23:43,695 –> 00:23:46,855
And I think a lot of the people out here
listening right now can, can relate.

495
00:23:47,415 –> 00:23:50,544
And, uh, thank you for, for
having the courage to ask that.

496
00:23:50,965 –> 00:23:51,345
Yeah.

497
00:23:51,955 –> 00:23:53,275
Uh, I’m glad you picked that out.

498
00:23:53,295 –> 00:23:53,685
Actually.

499
00:23:53,685 –> 00:23:57,885
That, that was a, that was a,
that was an important question.

500
00:23:59,224 –> 00:23:59,614
Yeah.

501
00:23:59,744 –> 00:24:01,785
Um, so why don’t we do this?

502
00:24:02,044 –> 00:24:04,955
Why don’t we, there were two more
questions in here that I think.

503
00:24:05,575 –> 00:24:11,075
we can refer back to previous
episodes or future or future episodes.

504
00:24:11,075 –> 00:24:11,725
Yes, correct.

505
00:24:12,265 –> 00:24:19,175
So there was one that was asking about,
uh, when to have like the sex talk with,

506
00:24:19,205 –> 00:24:22,320
you know, Just call it the birds and bees.

507
00:24:22,770 –> 00:24:23,630
Well, is that what they called it?

508
00:24:23,630 –> 00:24:24,390
I think they called it the birds and bees.

509
00:24:24,390 –> 00:24:26,810
Yeah, it’s called the birds and bees.

510
00:24:26,830 –> 00:24:28,790
So, I mean, whatever, we can just.

511
00:24:29,589 –> 00:24:31,680
Emmett Gorski: It’s the more
childish way of saying it.

512
00:24:31,709 –> 00:24:33,370
I know we’re both adults here.

513
00:24:33,959 –> 00:24:34,879
Rob Gorski: We’re not both adults.

514
00:24:34,880 –> 00:24:36,749
All right.

515
00:24:36,760 –> 00:24:38,600
So we’ll say you’re more
comfortable with the birds and bees.

516
00:24:40,225 –> 00:24:40,735
No, but

517
00:24:40,735 –> 00:24:42,795
Emmett Gorski: if you’re like,
Oh, kids might be watching this.

518
00:24:42,835 –> 00:24:44,885
You don’t just want to say the sex talk.

519
00:24:45,845 –> 00:24:47,245
I mean, I don’t know.

520
00:24:47,245 –> 00:24:49,405
Rob Gorski: I just feel use
the right words for things.

521
00:24:49,435 –> 00:24:50,005
Well, okay.

522
00:24:50,445 –> 00:24:54,485
So the question was, at what point do
I talk about the birds and the bees?

523
00:24:54,830 –> 00:24:55,580
Is that better?

524
00:24:55,640 –> 00:24:56,110
You’re welcome.

525
00:24:56,560 –> 00:24:59,160
Uh, to my autistic, uh, what?

526
00:24:59,180 –> 00:25:00,040
10 year old or something?

527
00:25:00,280 –> 00:25:00,930
10 year old son?

528
00:25:01,260 –> 00:25:04,110
Uh, 11, 11, almost 11,
almost 11 year old son.

529
00:25:04,450 –> 00:25:08,669
Um, you know, I did a whole
episode on this with Dr.

530
00:25:08,670 –> 00:25:09,400
Whitney Caceres.

531
00:25:09,420 –> 00:25:12,090
It’s the parent’s guide to
navigating autism and puberty.

532
00:25:12,430 –> 00:25:14,760
I will have it linked
in the show notes below.

533
00:25:14,780 –> 00:25:18,120
You can also go to the autism dad
dot link, click on the podcast

534
00:25:18,150 –> 00:25:22,040
button and scroll down a little bit
and you’ll find, uh, it’s pinned

535
00:25:22,060 –> 00:25:23,320
on there so you can check that out.

536
00:25:23,320 –> 00:25:24,719
We went in depth about.

537
00:25:25,199 –> 00:25:26,169
All of that stuff.

538
00:25:26,240 –> 00:25:29,050
And, uh, she’s an autism mom
as well as a pediatrician.

539
00:25:29,050 –> 00:25:31,480
And it was an amazing episode.

540
00:25:31,480 –> 00:25:33,879
I was super uncomfortable,
but I got through it.

541
00:25:33,879 –> 00:25:37,399
It was really awkward for me at
first, but it turned out really well.

542
00:25:37,679 –> 00:25:38,520
It has helped a lot of people.

543
00:25:38,520 –> 00:25:39,389
So you can check that one out.

544
00:25:39,899 –> 00:25:41,169
Um, and then what was the last.

545
00:25:41,480 –> 00:25:41,750
Oh,

546
00:25:41,750 –> 00:25:42,670
Emmett Gorski: can I ask this one?

547
00:25:42,690 –> 00:25:43,510
Yeah, yes, go ahead.

548
00:25:43,570 –> 00:25:49,650
Yeah, uh, so someone had talked about
the fact that Elliot hates the dentist.

549
00:25:49,739 –> 00:25:50,039
Yes, he does.

550
00:25:50,040 –> 00:25:51,919
And I mean, Elliot despises it.

551
00:25:51,920 –> 00:25:54,409
He hates it more than socks and sandals.

552
00:25:54,530 –> 00:25:58,520
I mean, he, it’s just the worst
thing in the world to him.

553
00:25:58,819 –> 00:25:59,460
And so Almost

554
00:25:59,460 –> 00:26:00,359
Rob Gorski: more than microfiber.

555
00:26:00,389 –> 00:26:02,900
Yeah, this, uh Well, it’s
probably more than microfiber.

556
00:26:02,900 –> 00:26:03,280
Emmett Gorski: He hates microfiber.

557
00:26:03,280 –> 00:26:08,840
Yeah, this person had asked, How do we
get him to the dentist successfully?

558
00:26:08,979 –> 00:26:14,855
And Uh, apparently my dad recorded
an episode about that and when

559
00:26:14,855 –> 00:26:15,955
you, when’s it going to air?

560
00:26:16,365 –> 00:26:16,515
Rob Gorski: Uh,

561
00:26:16,565 –> 00:26:17,475
Emmett Gorski: it, it’s soon.

562
00:26:17,815 –> 00:26:18,145
Soon.

563
00:26:18,504 –> 00:26:18,784
Soon.

564
00:26:18,915 –> 00:26:19,754
Sometime soon.

565
00:26:19,985 –> 00:26:24,075
Not a specific date, uh,
but general time span.

566
00:26:24,495 –> 00:26:30,865
Um, but honestly, the real answer and
it’s pro, it’s not going to work for

567
00:26:30,865 –> 00:26:33,305
everybody because I guarantee it won’t.

568
00:26:33,814 –> 00:26:35,424
But we just don’t tell him.

569
00:26:36,745 –> 00:26:39,624
We tell him we’re going out for
ice cream or going to the best bar.

570
00:26:41,004 –> 00:26:41,894
Rob Gorski: No we don’t.

571
00:26:42,774 –> 00:26:44,564
You can’t, you can’t, you can’t do that.

572
00:26:44,774 –> 00:26:45,224
And when

573
00:26:45,225 –> 00:26:45,634
Emmett Gorski: he asks,

574
00:26:47,854 –> 00:26:54,863
Rob Gorski: Why, why does this Oh my god,
you’re having way too much fun with this.

575
00:26:54,863 –> 00:26:58,414
This is like,

576
00:27:02,274 –> 00:27:05,674
okay, so this is like an ongoing
family kind of inside joke thing.

577
00:27:05,794 –> 00:27:09,314
Like Elliot struggles with anxiety in
the dentist and I can relate to that

578
00:27:09,315 –> 00:27:14,075
because I, I was traumatized as a kid
in a dentist, an oral surgery thing.

579
00:27:14,135 –> 00:27:17,964
And, um, I, so I get it, uh, for me.

580
00:27:17,964 –> 00:27:21,654
So I’m very, um, sensitive to this more.

581
00:27:22,405 –> 00:27:28,824
More so than, uh, some of us, but,
you know, I think it just depends.

582
00:27:29,425 –> 00:27:33,675
And, and MSRI, like I did record
an episode with, um, the pediatric

583
00:27:33,675 –> 00:27:35,784
dentist at Akron children’s hospital.

584
00:27:35,785 –> 00:27:39,484
And we talked about ways to help our
kids, uh, navigate some of these things.

585
00:27:39,485 –> 00:27:43,284
And there’s a bunch of new things that
they’re doing with sedation and, and drill

586
00:27:43,284 –> 00:27:45,514
this cavity things and stuff like that.

587
00:27:45,514 –> 00:27:48,705
So, uh, that will air shortly.

588
00:27:49,215 –> 00:27:53,625
And then, uh, you’ll be able to find
that as well at the autism dad dot link,

589
00:27:53,645 –> 00:27:58,905
click on podcast and you’ll find it
pinned in the, uh, in the thing there.

590
00:27:59,405 –> 00:27:59,675
Okay.

591
00:27:59,735 –> 00:28:00,075
Elliot.

592
00:28:00,135 –> 00:28:00,395
Okay.

593
00:28:00,625 –> 00:28:01,365
We’re recording.

594
00:28:01,365 –> 00:28:01,545
We’re

595
00:28:01,545 –> 00:28:02,215
Emmett Gorski: recording.

596
00:28:02,525 –> 00:28:04,435
And you’re talking
about me behind my back.

597
00:28:05,445 –> 00:28:07,635
It’s a Q and a about

598
00:28:08,304 –> 00:28:08,924
Rob Gorski: me.

599
00:28:08,994 –> 00:28:09,284
Okay.

600
00:28:09,314 –> 00:28:09,915
No, it’s not.

601
00:28:09,915 –> 00:28:14,585
It’s a, it was, it was, it’s somebody
had watched your reel and they said that

602
00:28:14,585 –> 00:28:17,345
they knew that you were terrified of
the dentist and how do we get you to go?

603
00:28:17,395 –> 00:28:17,765
Emmett Gorski: I.

604
00:28:18,160 –> 00:28:22,470
I had joked about the fact that you hate
the dentist more than socks and sandals,

605
00:28:22,470 –> 00:28:26,080
and we would just say, Hey Elliot,
you wanna you wanna go to Best Buy?

606
00:28:26,130 –> 00:28:32,230
And I was about to say, before I burst
out laughing, And when Elliot asks,

607
00:28:32,610 –> 00:28:35,705
Rob Gorski: Why does this Best
Buy look like a dentist’s office?

608
00:28:35,705 –> 00:28:40,909
And we just say, Oh, it’s a
mall complex, it’s in the back.

609
00:28:42,160 –> 00:28:46,240
Yeah, no, we don’t, you don’t, you don’t
ever want to lie to your kids if you can

610
00:28:46,270 –> 00:28:49,940
avoid it, obviously, because like, if we
said something, and I never did that, I

611
00:28:49,940 –> 00:28:53,249
would never lie to you about that, you
would be told, but you might not be told

612
00:28:53,249 –> 00:28:57,420
until, like, the last minute, yeah, so
you had less time to perseverate on it,

613
00:28:57,930 –> 00:29:02,610
but, you know, if you lie to your kids,
then, then, you know, especially autistic

614
00:29:02,610 –> 00:29:05,890
kids, like, they will latch onto that,
and they will sometimes never let it go.

615
00:29:05,950 –> 00:29:08,780
And if you tell them we’re going
to go get ice cream, but you

616
00:29:08,780 –> 00:29:11,420
take them to the dentist, then
they’re never going to trust you.

617
00:29:11,430 –> 00:29:12,960
Like, like our kids.

618
00:29:14,010 –> 00:29:14,339
Yeah.

619
00:29:14,339 –> 00:29:16,109
I mean, our kids can latch onto things.

620
00:29:16,360 –> 00:29:20,479
So, you know, the episode will come
out and there’s a lot of ways that you

621
00:29:20,480 –> 00:29:24,099
can work with your kids on this and
then you can work with a therapist.

622
00:29:24,590 –> 00:29:29,010
You know, that can, um, you know, help
with social stories and things like that,

623
00:29:29,010 –> 00:29:31,880
but, you know, we kind of joked around
about this and then Elliot popped his

624
00:29:31,880 –> 00:29:36,330
head in, but, uh, but yeah, so, I mean, it
was a good question, and, you know, I’ll

625
00:29:36,330 –> 00:29:40,239
let you guys know when the episode drops,
but, uh, there’s a lot of stuff that I

626
00:29:40,239 –> 00:29:43,489
learned that I wasn’t aware of that we
can do, and so now Elliot is going to be

627
00:29:43,489 –> 00:29:47,129
doing sedation dentistry, so, you know,
he’ll go, and he’ll go to sleep, and he’ll

628
00:29:47,129 –> 00:29:49,669
wake up, and it’ll all be done, and he
won’t be afraid of the dentist anymore.

629
00:29:50,740 –> 00:29:51,140
And

630
00:29:51,180 –> 00:29:53,750
Emmett Gorski: my answer
was obviously exaggerated.

631
00:29:53,760 –> 00:29:55,020
Don’t do that to your kids,

632
00:29:55,020 –> 00:29:56,899
Rob Gorski: please.

633
00:29:56,900 –> 00:29:58,780
He’s not liable for any damage.

634
00:29:58,780 –> 00:30:00,259
I was just trying

635
00:30:00,259 –> 00:30:02,860
Emmett Gorski: to make a
joke, and it was funny.

636
00:30:03,899 –> 00:30:05,849
Rob Gorski: So you’re capable
of doing that sometimes.

637
00:30:06,149 –> 00:30:07,549
Why can’t you do that more often?

638
00:30:07,760 –> 00:30:08,200
What?

639
00:30:09,080 –> 00:30:13,060
Like, you were able to kind
of like, riff on that and kind

640
00:30:13,060 –> 00:30:14,310
of like, have fun with it.

641
00:30:14,310 –> 00:30:15,390
Because it’s funny.

642
00:30:15,640 –> 00:30:17,540
Well, but it wasn’t factual.

643
00:30:17,540 –> 00:30:19,715
I Exactly.

644
00:30:19,725 –> 00:30:20,075
Okay.

645
00:30:20,105 –> 00:30:21,365
Well, anyhow.

646
00:30:21,425 –> 00:30:24,115
You know, next time we’re going to have
to just get all three of us, like, hooked

647
00:30:24,115 –> 00:30:25,795
up on this and do it all at one time.

648
00:30:26,145 –> 00:30:26,525
All right.

649
00:30:26,995 –> 00:30:30,795
On that note, uh, thank you guys very
much for taking the time to tune in.

650
00:30:30,825 –> 00:30:35,445
Emmett, thank you for putting this
together and finding these questions.

651
00:30:35,505 –> 00:30:36,155
No problem.

652
00:30:36,265 –> 00:30:36,925
I appreciate it.

653
00:30:37,424 –> 00:30:37,994
Uh.

654
00:30:38,530 –> 00:30:39,520
Keep your questions coming in.

655
00:30:39,760 –> 00:30:44,210
There’s a, there’s a thread pinned
on my Facebook page, um, where

656
00:30:44,210 –> 00:30:47,610
you can submit your questions
and, uh, you know, everything

657
00:30:47,610 –> 00:30:49,020
else can be found at theautismdad.

658
00:30:49,030 –> 00:30:49,310
link.

659
00:30:49,320 –> 00:30:53,050
You can email me or look up past episodes
or check out the marketplace with all the

660
00:30:53,050 –> 00:30:54,790
discount codes and cool stuff like that.

661
00:30:54,790 –> 00:30:56,489
So thank you very much guys.

662
00:30:56,489 –> 00:30:58,130
Have a great, uh, rest of your week.

663
00:30:58,170 –> 00:30:58,970
Have a great day.

664
00:31:00,445 –> 00:31:00,725
Bye.

665
00:31:02,505 –> 00:31:06,305
Before we go, I just wanted to take
a moment and say, thank you so much

666
00:31:06,305 –> 00:31:08,905
for taking the time to tune in and
for all the support you guys have

667
00:31:08,905 –> 00:31:10,635
shown me over the last seven seasons.

668
00:31:10,955 –> 00:31:13,785
I am so grateful and appreciative
of each and every one of you.

669
00:31:14,145 –> 00:31:17,335
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670
00:31:17,345 –> 00:31:21,075
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671
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672
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673
00:31:25,505 –> 00:31:25,895
Thank you.

674
00:31:25,895 –> 00:31:26,795
I really appreciate it.

675
00:31:27,065 –> 00:31:29,824
You guys can reach me
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676
00:31:29,844 –> 00:31:30,475
That’s the autism.